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1. Jeeves says:

   January 24, 2008 at 11:30 pm

   Funny shit!

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2. Soul says:

   January 27, 2008 at 2:01 pm

   Nice idea but you can see an American “white” bias. Where are all the Euros?

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   • JamesJoyce says:

     May 11, 2009 at 8:58 pm

     This is about white american NBA players… Left off this list.. Chris “Birdman” Anderson. Ican’t think of anyone else. We’ll wait and find out.
     P.S. Everyone in NC including Durham natives HATE Duke!

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     • Evil E says:

       May 11, 2009 at 10:14 pm

       Birdman was left off the list because the article was published in January 2008 and Andersen wasn’t reinstated until March 2008.

       Like I said, I’ll update this article at some point next season, and the Bird will definitely be on my team.

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3. Jonny says:

   January 31, 2008 at 11:56 am

   I know Nooch is from Argentina but put a flannel and buzzsaw on him and you got a guy that could be from middle america.

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   • Sam says:

     May 22, 2009 at 7:06 pm

     Johnny’s comment about nocioni, very funny

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4. Evil E says:

   January 31, 2008 at 1:40 pm

   OK, I obviously need to clarify this.

   This article is examining white players born in the United States of America ONLY. No Europeans have been considered!

   Is that because I’m biased? I don’t think so.

   The NBA has changed quite a bit since it was founded in 1946. In the early years, it was comprised of almost ALL American-born white players.

   That started to change in the late 50’s and early 60’s. African-Americans were now entering the league in significant numbers and making huge contributions to the game of basketball.

   Obviously, this “trend” continued. As the number of black players in the league got bigger and bigger, the number of white players got smaller and smaller. There was no need to even say white AMERICANS until the late 80’s.

   ENTER: Detlef Schrempf, Rik Smits, Drazen Petrovic, Vlade Divac, and Sarunas Marciulionis.

   These European players (and ones to follow) started a new “trend” that was only compunded by the USA “Dream Team” dominating the 1992 Olympics. After that, more and more kids began playing basketball all around the globe.

   The results are staggering. At the end of the 2007 season, there were 85 international players from 37 different countries on NBA rosters.

   And these guys aren’t just taking up roster spots, they’re winning! In the 2005 NBA playoffs, there were 24 international players on playoff rosters. That number jumped to 44 in 2006 and 60 in 2007! Both the regular season MVP (Dirk Nowitzki) and the Finals MVP (Tony Parker) last year were international players.

   The United States no longer dominates the sport of basketball. It thought it did prior to the 2004 Olympics, and had to take home the Bronze medal as a result. (By the way, I thought that was a wonderful thing and was beating my chest just like Carlos Arroyo and Sarunas Jasikevicius when Puerto Rico and Lithuania upended team USA).

   Am I biased toward American players? Not at all.

   I respect international players. I love international players. Ginobili, Kirilenko, Biedrins, and Yao are some of my favorite NBA players. I didn’t select an All-White International team because I don’t think there is a need to: there are so many good ones already and that number increases every year.

   Truly now more than ever, basketball is a global game.

   I chose to examine white American-born players because they are a dying breed. A breed that was once the majority is now the minority, and I find that intriguing.

   I wanted to know how many “white guys” are currently in the league. I wanted to select the best ones to see where their current talent level stands. I wanted to see the strengths and weaknesses of those players and then compare them to the rest of the league.

   I thought an All-White American team would be much more compelling than an All-White International team.

   You guys don’t think so?

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5. Evil E says:

   January 31, 2008 at 2:26 pm

   The Nocioni comment cracked me up by the way…

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6. Rich says:

   January 31, 2008 at 3:54 pm

   What about half white guys? You can take half of their stats lol.

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7. Jonny says:

   February 1, 2008 at 8:53 am

   yeah half a jason kidd dominates a whole Steve Blake…

   what about Nash? Can’t we get him on the all white team? He’s North American! Put that son of a bitch on the team and they win 45-50.

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8. Billy says:

   February 2, 2008 at 9:08 am

   Obviously this experiment was not done to fit within the salary cap, so evaluating it by that method is interesting, but not really relevant. Most teams (those not managed by Isiah Thomas; and ignoring the Michael Finley aberration) would not have two backups making a combined $20m a year (Miller/Hinrich).

   Considering this team lacks a real scoring punch, I thought Wally Szczerbiak would have at least received a mention. Even though he was born in Spain and grew up over there, I believe he is technically an American. His Roland Rating of +7.3 easily eclipses anyone else eligible for the team other than Josh McRoberts, Shavlik Randolph and Nick Fazekas, none of whom have even played 1% of their teams mins this year (I’m too pressed for time at the moment to check totals). I’d say replace Hinrich with Szczerbiak, if we care about cap space, if not replace Bonner or Quinn. We don’t really need 3 pgs on this team with Mike Dunleavy and Luke Walton playing the “point-forward” role.

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9. Evil E says:

   February 2, 2008 at 1:07 pm

   Like you said, Wally was born and raised in Spain, so I left him off the list.

   Still, I would rather have Bonner over Wally. I would probably take Coby Karl over him as well. While Wally’s solid Roland rating on a poor team is impressive indeed, I’ve never thought of him as a good team player. He seems to always “get his” rather than helping teammates get theirs (even tho he needs his teammates to get his back on defense). Since I don’t consider Wally a great veteran leader, I would much rather go with young, hungry, and enthusiastic guys with upside at the end of the bench. Hence, Quinn and Bonner (and Karl over Wally).

   By the way, if you guys are interested in Budinger and Love, Arizona plays at UCLA tonight on ESPN in a classic Pac-10 matchup!

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10. noel says:

    February 3, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    First if you’re going to start a point guard i’d rather start a pg that has a little more defense. Hinrich over blake any day. Two this opinion isn’t expressing my opinion on the all white team its expressing my opinion on who is saying that they’re going to win how many games??? Most of you people are voting them to win at least 40-45 games. Thats a little closer to happening in the eastern conference then the western conferance. If you put them in the western conferance they’re going to be one of the worst teams in the league hands down. Look at how stacked the west is now. Put them in the east its a little more reasonable but you’re still going to come out to what 35-39 wins at most if you’re putting it in the catagories listed above. What you’re missing from this team is a dominant scorer or player for that fact that can take over a game if needed. Your point guard position is weak if you take blake as your start pg. Best year was on denver so far and that was an ok year. Hinrich is the best pg that you choose from and dont even bother with chris quinn at this point. Then you pick mike miller and brent barry. Mike miller will get eaten up as well as brent barry at the shooting guard position because the defense is horrible. Sure they can both shoot but wouldn’t you want a point guard that can create for himself i dont see that happening with either one of them. Then you have dunleavy who is having an incredible year but lets see if he keeps it up next year and walton who is a terrible shooter. He could what pass and rebound sometimes. Then you have about the only person that i would ever take to build a team around in david lee because he shows heart which is more then what any of the people show in the nba. Finally someone who brings energy every game. Collison he can rebound about his only talent and then you put bonner. Alright he can shoot but is he going to get open shots like he gets with san an i think not. Who are you going to double up on so that they can swing the ball around to get him an open shot? Mike miller? yeah ok. So then we come to the center position where kaman is having a career year and miller isnt doing too shabby but they’re certainly not enough to help you win 40+ games. Out of this whole team you have no defense whatsoever. And you expect this team according to the votes to win 40-45 games at most. Thats being very generous. As for the 7 people at this point that voted that they would be an elite team you’re even dumber then the people that think they’ll win 45 games with that horrible lineup. Heres a list of teams that they could beat.

    Knicks…im pretty sure the local cyo team can beat them

    Heat… and im saying only them based on the record im pretty sure that dwayne wade could take the game over and beat them if need be

    Timberwolves….Too new of a group they dont have the team chemistry that it takes to win. Give them a couple of years and al jefferson already a beast will be even better and the pieces that they get to fit around him they will be a real good team.

    and thats about all the teams that they could beat.

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11. Marc says:

    February 5, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    We’re talking about your post now: http://thesportslounge.ipbfree.com/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=672

    Join in and comment…

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12. Lu-Dro says:

    February 7, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Zydrunas Ilgauskas

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13. CMB says:

    February 7, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    The most interesting aspect of this discussion is not the ranking of white players; but rather, the possible reasons for making a distinction between American born white players and Euros.

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14. Lou says:

    February 10, 2008 at 8:02 am

    This team needs a little Troy Murphy and or Jeff Foster. A couple of years ago, Murphy averaged a double-double and if added to the All-White American team he could reach those lofty numbers again. Foster’s a tough minded tenacious rebounder, a scrapper and would be a nice addition.

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15. Ed says:

    February 10, 2008 at 8:36 am

    Good squad actually…..

    Only gripe I have is that Travis Diener would HAVE to be included over Chris Quinn.

    Chris Quinn?

    Also the glutton at SF is interesting. Kapono and Korver both get left off despite their 3-point prowess.

    Also, just a personal opinion but I would roll with Troy Murphy over Bonner and/or Collison, mainly because Murphy is left-handed and it would add some “flare” to a squad needing any “flare” it can get it’s hands on.

    I guess Bonner’s red-headed-ness (word?) adds flare as well….so Murphy would replace Collison.

    Redick and Morrisson wouldn’t even be invited to TRY-OUT if I was coaching the team…..just a thought.

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16. Evil E says:

    February 10, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Funny you guys mention Diener, Murphy, and Foster because I was going to mention that the Pacers have been STARTING all FOUR (Mike D. is the other) of their white American players recently! They’ve gone 2-4, but lost to the Pistons, Rockets, Magic, and Spurs.

    All of the guys you mentioned leaving off are LEGIT players whom I definitely considered…

    As a Warriors fan, I saw plenty of Troy Murphy, and as a lefty, I enjoyed his game. But ever since he honed that 3-point shot it seems like the rest of his game has digressed. Or maybe his ceiling just wasn’t that high to begin with.

    Jeff Foster was closer to making my team than Murph because he’s always been productive in limited minutes. As said, I love his energy off the bench, but I think this team could hold their own on the boards without him.

    I’m a big Kapono fan (thought he would get more minutes in Toronto) for his shooting efficiency, but I think a healthy Walton helps out a lot in terms of versatility and chemistry.

    You know what?

    I totally agree with Ed’s gripe and would like to substitute Diener in for Quinn now.

    I gave Quinn the nod because he had started several games for Miami and played solid, whereas Diener didn’t get big minutes until recently. I enjoyed watching Travis play at Marquette w/ D. Wade and he’s TORN UP the summer league the past 2 seasons. Over his last 6 games (started all), he’s recorded 35 assists to just 5 turnovers!!!

    Let’s go with Diener over Quinn!

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17. soul says:

    February 10, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    I don’t think your all white USA Team could beat the Washington Generals.

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18. Andrew King says:

    February 11, 2008 at 9:16 am

    Before I start, let me say, I can’t believe how quickly the article was misinterpreted. I thought I had thin skin. Europeans make the all-star team. So that article would’ve been redundant.

    I’ll go player by player.

    1) Blake.
    Definitely my top choice. Cameron pointed out to me Blake’s ast/to ratio a couple months ago. That’s definitely the stat in his line most indicative of his presence on the court.

    2) Hinrich.
    His inability to create and overall low shooting percentage are what turn me off to Hinrich. But I’m not sure who I’d replace him with.

    3) Quinn.
    Haven’t watched him play enough to comment.

    4) Mike Miller.
    My love affair with Miller ended so quickly after that sophomore season, but how can I dispute the pick?

    5) Brent Barry.
    Oh hell yes. Barry’s one of those players that I think you would find is disproportionately popular with coaches as opposed to fans (save for that 15 minutes following his “can anyone here fucking believe there isn’t a brother in this building who can’t beat that shitty rehash of 1986?” slam dunk contest performance). He’s great with angles, screens, backdoors, slip screens, fades; it’s fun to watch guys like him. He’s just one of those players that’s great at doing all the little things, and who excels in exceptionally important areas of the game that aren’t typically noticed by the casual fan (e.g. moving without the ball). Yeah, so I agree again. Solid choice.

    6) Dunleavy.
    Sure. There’s really no debate.

    7) Luke Walton.
    Ditto. I’m always amazed that the people who loathe Walton the most- and give him the least credit- are Lakers fans. Can’t figure it out.

    David Lee.
    Duh. Best white American player in the league. Better than Kaman.

    9) Collison.
    Haha, I like the comment about taking charges. Funny and highly relevant. Thinking about Collison makes me wonder: might it be more important to look at the success of white American players in college than the NBA? After all, the international game is much more similar to our college game, and it’s clear that teams with players who know each other best (most of the international teams who play together year round) and who have players the most educated in various formal systems. The reason is that I highly doubt you’ll find any plays from the coaches’ NBA playbooks in their Team USA playbooks, or very few. So players who have less experience and less quality experience at the college and even high school levels are probably going to be less likely to succeed in this style of play.For that reason, I’d heavily weigh my disposition in favor of those players whose teams succeeded at the highest level in college or who came from great programs under great coaches.
    Then again, it seems like most white American players in the NBA are there because of their superior x and o literacy, so it might be a bigger challenge to mobilize the team behind the few guys named who are’t role players…which is, arguably, none of them (the argument being that the only white Americans leading teams are leading teams that suck).

    10) Bonner.
    I feel like Brad Pitt in Troy: “Is there no one else?” God, that’s depressing. It would be so much more comforting if Croshere were in his prime.

    Hmm…that’s it. I agree with all your picks. Kudos.

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19. Shaggy says:

    February 12, 2008 at 6:50 am

    Hey How about the 76ers PF Jason Smith. From David Thorpe’s Analysis: Smith went to Colorado State, a team that never had much national success, but when he first caught the ball the other night against Houston at the high post, he went right at Yao Ming and finished a strong layup over him. No ACC player could have done any better.

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20. Evil E says:

    February 12, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Shaggy – I haven’t seen Smith play too much, but his production in limited minutes has definitely been impressive. He’s a guy to watch in the 2nd half if Philly starts playing him more, but I don’t think he’s ready to knock off Collison or Bonner just yet (you guys don’t like Firecrotch?).

    Andrew – Would Austin Croshere in his prime (I’m assuming circa the 2000 NBA Finals vs. the Lakers?) really comfort you that much?

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21. Marsh says:

    February 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    What about Ginobili? He’s white, right?

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22. Marsh says:

    February 12, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    USA team. My reading skills suffer.

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23. dumber says:

    February 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    A similar idea for a new article

    Rank the players with the last name of Williams vs those of past years

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24. Ted says:

    February 22, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    I wonder how this team would actually perform in the NBA. Loads of shooters and some decent muscle down low might just click well. But lacking the crazy althleticism of other players in the league this group would have to play outstanding team defense.

    What I want to see next Evil is a roster that all fires from the left. With lefties comprising roughly 10% of the total population you would be drawing from a pool of players similar in size to that of white American ballers in the NBA.

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25. Evil E says:

    February 23, 2008 at 6:58 am

    I have yet to find a comprehensive list of lefty NBA players. Maybe you guys should help me compile one:

    PG- Fisher, Del. West, D. Stoudamire
    SG- Ginobili, Redd, Mobley, Mo-Pete
    SF- J-Smoov, Prince
    PF- Bosh, Odom, D. Lee, Randolph, Murphy
    C- LaFrentz

    Who else is there?

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26. Andrew King says:

    February 25, 2008 at 6:57 pm

    Hey, I didn’t know where else to put this (there’s probably a forum on here, somewhere, but I’m too lazy to look right now). Check out what one user wrote in Hollinger’s Power Rankings about Dirk:

    “Kidd turns this Mavs team into a true contender by allowing Dirk to be exactly what he is — a nice complimentary player. He’s not a leader, he is simply Ray Allen trapped in a 7-foot body.”

    I’ve always thought that, but any time I express that opinion, I find myself alone in a room of guys yelling at me. Anyone here agree? It’s just my opinion that all these 7-footers who don’t play a back-to-the-basket game (the trend the Europeans imposed) will never be franchise players. And Garnett balances his play, so I don’t think he can be counted an exception.

    Sound off.

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27. Evil E says:

    February 26, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Yeah man, I wrote about the trade here:
    http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/jason-kidd-back-in-dallas

    Here’s what I said about Dirk:
    “Dirk has got to be loving this even more than Kobe was about the Kwame / Gasol exchange. He can now defer the leadership pressures to Kidd and simply play his own game. Dirk has never struck me as a natural leader. Instead, it seemed like he tried to be a leader, but we saw what happened in last year’s playoffs. This is going to be a huge MENTAL boost for Nowitzki.”

    So yeah, I agree. The Mavs were at a serious mental disadvantage before the trade. Kidd changes that.

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28. Andrew King says:

    February 26, 2008 at 8:16 am

    Well, then.

    Boo-yah. I feel more validated than a girl who got her first period.

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29. Andrew King says:

    February 26, 2008 at 8:19 am

    Oh, and Cammy’s always a good one to hit up on the lefties. He watches more NBA than anyone I know but you. His analysis in everything not pertaining to x’s and o’s is superior to mine, now.

    He’s on mine or Ted’s MySpace (if you don’t already have him added).

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30. Andrew King says:

    February 26, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Wait, I just read Ted’s comments from above. What do you mean, you wonder how they would perform?

    C’mon, this team would get blown out every night.

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31. FLoppy says:

    March 6, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    ^^ re: The William’s ranking – I actually compiled a fantasy team (keeper league last year) of Players with the last name Williams and did pretty damn well. From what I recall, the starting 5 was –

    PG – Shammond Williams
    SG – Mo Williams
    SF – Justin Williams
    PF – Corliss Williamson
    C – Aaron Williams

    Bench had my good players of course. I just thought it’d be funny to roll out an all William’s team and name it “The Bills”

    I ended up losing in the first round of the playoffs in that keeper league that year.

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32. Calvin says:

    June 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Great article. where did you find the information on who was a white american? did you know or did you look it up individually. You have a little bit of a florida bias
    matt bonner would not make any “all whatver” team he isnt good are you kidding me just because he had one good game that doesnt mean you should think he’s sweet. pick one of the guys who actualy play his percentages dont mean anything when he plays only half the games and shoot 50 times a season!!! also steve blake over hinrichs a joke. Steve blake while good isnt even a full time starter and while i love chris quinn as a player you’ve got to put ridnour in front of him cnsidering the whole quinns only played half a season and has like 25 career starts

    Its just RIDDECCCULOUS to say brent barry is the second best white american shooting guard in the nba!!!! since you’ve been going off guys who shine in moment of playing time why not go with jj redick, but seriously barry? not at his age and limited abilities. and ur just stupid in say coby carl over any of the guards considering he’s played in like 5 nba games!!!!!!!! thats just childish love of a player and not evalutating the talent.

    Kapono and korver are both clearly better players and help there teams more than luke walton. luke walton is a decent player at best. the dead eye shooters are way more helpful than a guy who throws a couple good passes a game and often misses layups on a game by game basis

    but besides these obvious flaws you put together a lot of good information. and anyone who thinks these 15 guys couldnt win mor than 45 games is just kidding themselves. I gurantee with these guys who all play in the nba most of the them substanial minutes could out play any nba team assembled right now because all 15 of them could be in the game going 100% unlike any other team in the league think about it… do you see the lakers or the celtics using the last 5 guys on the roster… hell no but with this team you could rashion time and win nearly every game in my opinion this is a 70 win team hands down with shooters and hustlers like redick kapono and lee how would anyone stop such a fresh team!

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33. Calvin says:

    June 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    OOOO and where is Blake Ahearn he doesnt play a lot but when the nations all time college hoops leader in freethrow percentage gets some court time he does damgae from the three point line again i ask where’d u get the number 51 white boys cause your missing a couple

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34. Evil E says:

    July 15, 2008 at 10:58 am

    Hey Calvin – My bad for not responding earlier.

    As is the case for almost everything I post on my site, I did research and figured it out on my own. The # of “white boys” in the NBA that is. On 1/27/08, I scoured the active rosters of every NBA team and I found 51 American-born white players. Who do you think I left out? I spend a lot of time checking my facts, so I challenge you to prove me wrong.

    You’re underestimating Brent Barry BIG TIME. There’s a reason so many teams still want the guy, even tho he’s clearly past his prime physically. The guy is a great all-around player and has proven himself time and time again. You’d rather have Redick?!?!

    I insist that Matt Bonner could be a solid player if he got minutes. As you know, big men who can shoot threes are a nice asset. I don’t think Bonner is better than say Troy Murphy, but I also said that Bonner was my “12th man.” Would Troy Murphy (a guy who’s used to starting) be happy in the role of 12th man? I don’t think so. He would probably bitch and whine and as a result would have a negative impact on the team. A guy like Bonner is happy just being in the league, so he has no problem cheerleading. See, I try to think of all the angles…

    As for Walton over Kapono & Korver, it’s tough to say right now because both Walton & Kapono didn’t play that much last year. I DO think that Kapono is a more valuable player, but like I said, I left him off the team because they already have plenty of shooters, so I went with a guy who doesn’t mind passing the ball and getting teammates involved. As for Korver, his defense sucks balls, but I’ll admit that I also don’t like the guy for some reason.

    As for starting Blake over Hinrich and picking Quinn over Ridnour, it’s hard to argue really, as all of them would get destroyed by top PGs, but if you took a poll and asked coaches and GM’s, I think more would agree with me than disagree.

    Lastly, I don’t think any combination of white American players could win more than 45 games in today’s NBA. Am I kidding myself? I don’t think so.

    “could out play any nba team assembled right now because all 15 of them could be in the game going 100% unlike any other team in the league…with this team you could rashion time and win nearly every game in my opinion this is a 70 win team hands down!”

    So white boys give 100% and non-white players don’t? I guess stereotypes never die. I truly hope you’re kidding when you say this is a 70 win team. Oh wait, I get it. All 15 of them in the game at the same time? Naww, I’d still only give them 58 wins.

    Thanks for the comments man.

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35. melvintheterrible says:

    July 24, 2008 at 8:00 am

    I think you need to set the criteria on what determines their whiteness. Aside from a complete family pedigree and mitchondrial dna testing, music preference, dancing ability, alcohol tolerannce, thc tolerance, and daily average clothing attire should come into play.

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36. Evil E says:

    July 24, 2008 at 9:58 am

    “I think you need to set the criteria on what determines their whiteness. Aside from a complete family pedigree and mitchondrial dna testing, music preference, dancing ability, alcohol tolerannce, thc tolerance, and daily average clothing attire should come into play.”

    That might be the funniest comment I’ve ever read on my site. Thanks melvintheterrible! Why does Mark Madsen come to mind???
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D3xkIKc_3E

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37. Calvin Edwards says:

    July 26, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    lol okay maybe not 70 wins but i think they would definitely be very competitve cause when you think about it most these guys have a good role on their own nba team and we have here almost 10 nba starters! you see what i mean that bench could make up there own nba starting team so this would be a very good team as one group…. people dont give these guys the credit they deserve and people dont understand that just because there white it doesnt mean that there not athletic… to get to this level you have to be very athletic and most these guys are just that…. by the way the only white american i saw you left out was blake ahearn…. props on the all the research man that must have took some time up… well also kevin love has looked solid in summer league so he should contribute here soon… idk mybe even joe alexander … hopefully you add those names to the list of white boys in the nba… also if you havent heard of jaycee carroll look him up he was nasty for utah state and he’s a great shooter i dont think he’ll make a team though… i was wondering if you’d ever respond so go ahead and email me when u do so i’ll know when to talk back looking foreward to hearing what u think

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38. T says:

    July 27, 2008 at 6:34 am

    Now that Kaman is playing for Germany how many wins is this team down to?

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39. Evil E says:

    July 27, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Good question man. How do you guys feel about Kaman playing for Germany? If that’s his only chance to compete in the Olympics, I don’t blame him at all. But should his decision have some repercussions… such as being kicked off the All-white American team???

    I have no problem kicking Kaman off and replacing him with Kevin Love for ‘08-09. I also think that Troy Murphy is going to have a nice bounceback season, so he’ll likely earn his spot back on the team this year, knocking out Bonner.

    Calvin – I haven’t seen Jaycee Carroll play, but his college stats are extremely impressive (#2 last year w/ 1.38 points per possession). As for Ahearn, he didn’t play his first NBA game until 3/21 and I wrote this article on 1/27, so he wasn’t considered. Regardless, both he and Jaycee (related to Matt I assume?) are both 6-2 shooting guard, so the chances of them sticking in the NBA are slim.

    Does anyone think Redick and/or Morrison are going to make an impact this season?

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40. John L says:

    July 27, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    Now, now. Don’t be so quick to kick Kaman off the AWT. He does have dual citizenship so he is still technically and American.

    As for Redick and Morrison, IMHO – a resounding No as to each unless Redick gets traded. I think Morrison was one of the most over-hyped college players and I will be surprised if he has any longevity in this league.

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41. Calvin Edwards says:

    July 30, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    redick does have a very good chance of becoming a starters and a kyle korver matt carroll sort of player in the next two three years the biggest influence on whether he will or not is the team he plays for and the chance he is given

    morrison will stay what he was as a rookie, an okay starter but never great and never the next larry bird as some foolish people predicted

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42. TC says:

    September 9, 2008 at 8:10 am

    Blake ahead of Hinrich? Really? Hinrich is better offensively but most importantly light years ahead of him defensively.

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43. Evil E says:

    September 9, 2008 at 8:30 am

    Well, remember that I wrote that piece in January while the Bulls were sucking complete ass.

    BUT, I insist that Blake is a very underrated PG. His +/- on/off court stats last season were excellent:
    http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR1D.HTM

    Portland’s offense was +5 pts better per 100 possessions with him on the court and their defense was 1.1 points better with him on the court as well. The team outscored their opponents +69 when he played, but were -149 when he was on the bench.

    When Hinrich is on his game, YES, he’s a more talented player capable of doing more things, but right now, Blake is more reliable, and that’s one of the first things I’d look for when picking my starting PG.

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44. TC says:

    September 11, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Fair enough but I still don’t think Blake is an NBA starter. Better off as a 12-20 mpg guy that keeps the 2nd unit steady but he’s held back because he’s a weak defender and an iffy shooter.

    Hinrich on the other hand is clearly an NBA starter. All-league defender who can even slide over and cover SG’s effectively. Unselfish and certainly a better shooter than he showed last season.

    Personally, I think it’s no contest as Hinrich, even in his worst season is better than Blake in his best.

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45. Evil E says:

    September 11, 2008 at 10:04 am

    I don’t think Hinrich is an all-league defender. Solid, but not spectacular by any means. Check out this link:
    http://www.82games.com/0708/07CHI2C.HTM

    When Kirk played shooting guard, the opposing SG put up a per-48 minute PER of 19.6 and shot an eFG% [(FG + 0.5 * 3P) / FGA] of 53.9%, while Hinrich’s PER was 17.5 and his eFG% was 45.2%. That’s pretty poor D and inefficient O to make up for it.

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46. Evil E says:

    September 11, 2008 at 10:30 am

    But forget about which players I picked and how many games this theoretical team would win for a second…

    Don’t any of you feel like digging deeper?

    Then let’s talk about those Indiana Pacers…

    -About 12% of the NBA’s current players are white Americans.
    -The Pacers currently have 5 white Americans on their team: Diener, Dunleavy, McRoberts, Murphy, Foster.
    -If they get rid of troublemakers Tinsley & Williams, 35.7% of their roster will be white.
    -86% of the people in Indiana are white, which is well above the U.S. average.
    http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_event=Search&geo_id=&_geoContext=&_street=&_county=&_cityTown=&_state=04000US18&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&pctxt=fph&pgsl=010

    -White Americans playing for the Pacers isn’t a new occurrence, as there are plenty of active guys on other teams who used to play for Indiana (Austin Croshere, Brad Miller, Scot Pollard) as well as former players such as Chris Mullin, Fred Hoiberg, and Reggie Miller (I kid).

    Sooo….

    -Does the Pacers’ management place an emphasis on bringing in white Americans?
    -Does their high proportion of white players lead to higher ticket sales?
    -Has their focus on white players ever resulted in them having a weaker team?
    -If you’re a Pacers fan and you said yes to the last question, does that bother you?

    

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47. calvin Edwards says:

    September 30, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    kevin kruger is now on the bucks

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48. Ken says:

    October 1, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Great Post, yeah I agree that Brent Barry is a very good choice. He stays on the bench for the Spurs but when he played a lot for the sonics he was one of the most efficient and fun to watch players in the league (plus is he the only white uy to win the SLAM DUNK TITLE?!?!? hello!) Just for fun how about an all-white team lineup regardless of nationality?
    1st 2nd
    PG Steve Nash Jose Calderon
    SG Manu Ginobili Mike Dunleavy
    SF Hedo Turkoglu Mike Milller
    PF Dirk Nowitzki David Lee
    C Andrew Bogut Pau Gasol

    I think that this roster would be a lock for the NBA title, unless of course they played the all black team hahaha.

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49. DMJ says:

    April 29, 2009 at 9:10 am

    Who was the last american born white guy to make the all star team?
    I know brad miller made oit. Anyone since?

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    • Evil E says:

      April 29, 2009 at 10:05 am

      Naww, Brad Miller was the last. He played in the 2003 and 2004 All-Star games.

      The last white guy before that was John Stockton in 2000.

      In 1997, both Christian Laettner and Tom Gugliotta were All-Stars.

      FYI – I’ll be updating this article at some point next season to consider new guys and possible changes. Let the lobbying begin!

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50. Evil E says:

    June 13, 2009 at 7:56 am

    I believe this song applies here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcVEDCqKNz0
    

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    • RBAej says:

      June 13, 2009 at 8:34 am

      hahahaha

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