Comments on: Midweek Musings: Millsap and GMs http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms Fantasy Basketball Analysis, Stat Projections, Ratings, Rankings, Sleepers, and more Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:30:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: MichaelProcton http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2688 MichaelProcton Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:22:06 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2688 Not a Charlotte fan: <a href="http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/421713.html?pageNum=3&&&mi_pluck_action=page_nav#Comments_Container" target="_blank">http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/42...</a> Not a Charlotte fan:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/bobcats/story/42...

]]> By: RBAej http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2694 RBAej Fri, 19 Dec 2008 09:24:42 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2694 I actually agree with you. It would make being a rational fan a lot less work if GMs were more transparent. I wonder how much of this has to do with simply being in the business of owning a pro sports team. I am sure a GM and owner can sit down and discuss how they're never going to be seriously competitive with a star like Antoine Walker (for example), and that they're going to trade him and things are going to get worse before they get better. If fans can understand this train of thought I'm sure that the owners are on board, too. However, there is a cost to breaking up a playoff team and rebuilding and that hit is in ticket sales and general fan interest which is how the owners make their cash. Every coaching change the Celtics ever make is quickly followed by an article in the papers about how many season tickets got sold the next day, for example when we brought in the Ricktator believe it or not the city got really excited bought lots of tickets. I don't recall this happening when Danny Ainge replaced Chris Wallace as GM of the team, though, so the quick trigger finger on coaches could be a way for owners to salvage a lost season financially. GMs revealing their true intentions might not always create an influx of good will from the fanbase. I doubt a lot of fans are as interested in the intricacies of building an NBA winner as all of us here. Anything short of a Steinbrenner-esque win-now at all costs would probably frustrate most fans and could be a reason why GMs remain surprisingly quiet a lot of the time. I actually agree with you. It would make being a rational fan a lot less work if GMs were more transparent. I wonder how much of this has to do with simply being in the business of owning a pro sports team. I am sure a GM and owner can sit down and discuss how they're never going to be seriously competitive with a star like Antoine Walker (for example), and that they're going to trade him and things are going to get worse before they get better. If fans can understand this train of thought I'm sure that the owners are on board, too.

However, there is a cost to breaking up a playoff team and rebuilding and that hit is in ticket sales and general fan interest which is how the owners make their cash. Every coaching change the Celtics ever make is quickly followed by an article in the papers about how many season tickets got sold the next day, for example when we brought in the Ricktator believe it or not the city got really excited bought lots of tickets. I don't recall this happening when Danny Ainge replaced Chris Wallace as GM of the team, though, so the quick trigger finger on coaches could be a way for owners to salvage a lost season financially. GMs revealing their true intentions might not always create an influx of good will from the fanbase. I doubt a lot of fans are as interested in the intricacies of building an NBA winner as all of us here. Anything short of a Steinbrenner-esque win-now at all costs would probably frustrate most fans and could be a reason why GMs remain surprisingly quiet a lot of the time.

]]> By: RBAej http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2693 RBAej Fri, 19 Dec 2008 08:52:58 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2693 Dexter, nice post about the Clip Show. They really have done some things right here and there, but it always seems to be one step forward followed up 2 massive steps back. Breaking up that Q/D-Miles team is one of the biggest travesties of the past ten years. The 2000-2001 and 2001-2002 seasons were the only years that I had NBA League Pass and those Clips teams were must-watch. Neither player was ever the same again after they got separated. I will never understand why Elgin broke up such a popular combo that loved playing with each other. It would've been like if the Kings from those same two years just traded Divac. Inexcusable!! Dexter, nice post about the Clip Show. They really have done some things right here and there, but it always seems to be one step forward followed up 2 massive steps back. Breaking up that Q/D-Miles team is one of the biggest travesties of the past ten years. The 2000-2001 and 2001-2002 seasons were the only years that I had NBA League Pass and those Clips teams were must-watch. Neither player was ever the same again after they got separated. I will never understand why Elgin broke up such a popular combo that loved playing with each other. It would've been like if the Kings from those same two years just traded Divac. Inexcusable!!

]]> By: MichaelProcton http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2692 MichaelProcton Fri, 19 Dec 2008 06:36:30 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2692 So Evil...with Mickael Pietrus coming back from his hand injury, what do you see his value as going forward? So Evil…with Mickael Pietrus coming back from his hand injury, what do you see his value as going forward?

]]> By: Dexter http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2686 Dexter Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:12:16 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2686 I am one of those few that refer to themselves as part of "Clipper Nation" and Baylor leaving is one of the best news I've had in a long time (now its time for Sterling to sell the team, and Dunleavy to get out). But Baylor being named Executive of the Year perplexed me. Sure we landed Cassell who singled-handedly guided/coached/lead our team a game away from the Western Conference Finals. But as you mention in '05 Korolev over Danny Granger? 04' a skinny (not ready for the NBA) Shaun Livingston (who definitely needed to go to Duke, build muscle, mature his game, etc) over Devin Harris? I will defend our '03 pick in Kaman who has shown he can play, But I will always remember and never forgive him in '02 CHRIS WILCOX over AMARE STOUDEMIRE? '01 is when we Traded Chandler for Brand, the Bulls still haven't recovered. In '00, although they are/were complete bone-heads Miles and Q brought excitement, something we hadn't had in a long time, probably because picking Olowokandi with the number 1 pick in 1998 still had us crying ourselves to sleep. It still haunts me. Again great article and am definitely looking forward to more of these. I am one of those few that refer to themselves as part of "Clipper Nation" and Baylor leaving is one of the best news I've had in a long time (now its time for Sterling to sell the team, and Dunleavy to get out). But Baylor being named Executive of the Year perplexed me. Sure we landed Cassell who singled-handedly guided/coached/lead our team a game away from the Western Conference Finals. But as you mention in '05 Korolev over Danny Granger? 04' a skinny (not ready for the NBA) Shaun Livingston (who definitely needed to go to Duke, build muscle, mature his game, etc) over Devin Harris? I will defend our '03 pick in Kaman who has shown he can play, But I will always remember and never forgive him in '02 CHRIS WILCOX over AMARE STOUDEMIRE? '01 is when we Traded Chandler for Brand, the Bulls still haven't recovered. In '00, although they are/were complete bone-heads Miles and Q brought excitement, something we hadn't had in a long time, probably because picking Olowokandi with the number 1 pick in 1998 still had us crying ourselves to sleep. It still haunts me.

Again great article and am definitely looking forward to more of these.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2685 Hunter Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:28:02 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2685 solid article. I agree that GMs ought to be more accountable. as for the Hendrix thing, while I agree that the Warriors had better options to drop...if the option in Mullin's mind was dropping Hendrix OR trading one of Randolph or Wright and someone for Felton, then I think Mullin at least got that one right. solid article. I agree that GMs ought to be more accountable.

as for the Hendrix thing, while I agree that the Warriors had better options to drop…if the option in Mullin's mind was dropping Hendrix OR trading one of Randolph or Wright and someone for Felton, then I think Mullin at least got that one right.

]]> By: Evil E http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2684 Evil E Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:57:52 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2684 Nevermind what I said about Mullin learning his lesson, because they waived Richard Hendrix today. In 9 D-League games, Hendrix is averaging 28.7 minutes, 13.9 points, 10.9 boards (3.0 off), 1.1 steals, and 1.2 blocks on 51.6% FG shooting. That translates to 13.7 boards per 36 minutes. Oh yeah, his team is also 8-1. DeMArcus Nelson and Rob Kurz have played fairly well, but I fail to see how their upsides are higher than Hendrix's. BOOOOO! Nevermind what I said about Mullin learning his lesson, because they waived Richard Hendrix today. In 9 D-League games, Hendrix is averaging 28.7 minutes, 13.9 points, 10.9 boards (3.0 off), 1.1 steals, and 1.2 blocks on 51.6% FG shooting. That translates to 13.7 boards per 36 minutes. Oh yeah, his team is also 8-1. DeMArcus Nelson and Rob Kurz have played fairly well, but I fail to see how their upsides are higher than Hendrix's. BOOOOO!

]]> By: Evil E http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2683 Evil E Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:11:41 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2683 I'm sure they're considering that, but the interesting thing is that Okur has a player option for next year as well. Since Koufous & Fesenko are still a ways away, I wonder what center they might consider signing if they let both Boozer and Okur walk. I'm sure they're considering that, but the interesting thing is that Okur has a player option for next year as well. Since Koufous & Fesenko are still a ways away, I wonder what center they might consider signing if they let both Boozer and Okur walk.

]]> By: Evil E http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2682 Evil E Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:06:45 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2682 I'm sure Mullin and Higgins frequently chat since they're buddies, but that rumor sounds like it was cooked up by a Bobcats fan. The Warriors just got Crawford who has several more years on his contract. HE is the man that they want to team up with Monta in the backcourt. Why would they go after Felton as well? Monta is better suited guarding PG's, yet Felton is even shorter than him. GS isn't gonna give up Randolph or Wright that easily. But yeah, I'm sure the Cats would love that trade. I'm sure Mullin and Higgins frequently chat since they're buddies, but that rumor sounds like it was cooked up by a Bobcats fan. The Warriors just got Crawford who has several more years on his contract. HE is the man that they want to team up with Monta in the backcourt. Why would they go after Felton as well? Monta is better suited guarding PG's, yet Felton is even shorter than him. GS isn't gonna give up Randolph or Wright that easily. But yeah, I'm sure the Cats would love that trade.

]]> By: Evil E http://www.rotoevil.com/nba/midweek-musings-millsap-gms/comment-page-1#comment-2681 Evil E Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:02:53 +0000 http://www.rotoevil.com/?p=1165#comment-2681 Well, GMs can map out short-term and long-term plans without saying what exactly they're trying to do. Where I would mainly like to see more info is immediately after they make a draft pick/ trade. When Ainge drafted Gerald Green at #18 in the '05 draft, it wasn't because he planned on using him as an asset to land KG down the road. He clearly liked Green as a player, so he should have had no problem explaining why he chose him. The fact is we rarely get REAL analysis on why moves are made. Fans usually just get cookie cutter answers. For example, if I was a Clippers fan and I wanted them to take Danny Granger at #10 in the same draft, and I asked Elgin Baylor why he took Yaroslav Korolev instead, he should have been able to explain his decision to the extent that, even if I didn't agree with his opinion, I would have at least understood his rationale. But really, how often does that happen? Well, GMs can map out short-term and long-term plans without saying what exactly they're trying to do. Where I would mainly like to see more info is immediately after they make a draft pick/ trade. When Ainge drafted Gerald Green at #18 in the '05 draft, it wasn't because he planned on using him as an asset to land KG down the road. He clearly liked Green as a player, so he should have had no problem explaining why he chose him. The fact is we rarely get REAL analysis on why moves are made. Fans usually just get cookie cutter answers.

For example, if I was a Clippers fan and I wanted them to take Danny Granger at #10 in the same draft, and I asked Elgin Baylor why he took Yaroslav Korolev instead, he should have been able to explain his decision to the extent that, even if I didn't agree with his opinion, I would have at least understood his rationale. But really, how often does that happen?

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